myspace maddness Thursday, February 28, 2008

myspace maddness
Current mood: irritated
Category: Blogging
Okay, going against the advice of Kirby and my promise not to post any letters specified private... I am TICKED OFF. This is kind of long so get a cup of tea (or maybe coffee) if you really want to read my drama.

I like blogging- so yeah I'm going to do it. And if this were any other friend and we got into a fight I *promise* I would not do this to you; but I think it's safe to say we're not friends anymore. ... and you'll read in one of my replies that I encouraged her to make a blog herself. We'll see if she does... I'm afraid she's the one that's going to look like an ass though. I'm a little assy- but I know I'm not perfect. I make mistakes and I learn from them. And if I want to display my mistakes then so be it. That's my prerogative... No one has to read these if they don't like them, you know.

Of course if you take the time to actually read these- please let me know what you think. (even if you think I'm wrong) If am wrong then I'll humbly apologise and take this down/private.

the ***'s are my comments, and not in the actual letters.

OUR LETTERS.

FROM HER Feb 9, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: hey ms. adamsBody:

i totally forgot your real last name because it was giammo for so long. anyhow, i don't care what people think like i am worried about my haircut or the music i like or something, but i have "friends" from work on here and i keep my profile public because every once in a while someone fabulous from the past (see yourself) manages to find me and i really appreciate it and being the hitler-perfect definition of aryan and hailing from cobb county georgia, home of the illustrious newt gingrich and the leo frank lynching i get a little concerned.

i mean, if someone from work saw that i don't think i'd have the chance to explain, i mean, people don't just come up to other people and say "hey, are you a white supremacist? because it kinda looks like you are."

admittedly it's stupid for me to be like that... and it's your NAME, i mean... gosh. i do realise that and frankly i'm surprised you aren't more mad at me. i guess that maybe you are used to it? do you get a lot of shit about your name?

I DID NOT REPLY TO THIS PRIVATELY; I sent her a comment she promptly deleted shat said something to the effect of "are you seriously that concerned what your friends will think?" Then I posted my blog.

FROM HER Feb 9, 2008 5:28 PM Subject: goodness!Body:

i really don't want to respond to this at all but i think it's a little inappropriate to post a private e-mail in a public forum. There was a reason i sent it to you as an e-mail... privately. Regardless, I thought it was apologetic in tone. I'm sorry if that did not come across sufficiently but I did say I realized that I was being stupid.

I certainly see where you are coming from and how you could find what I said offensive, but you have to understand what I'm talking about too. And you have to admit it's kind of funny too. I mean, it's an absurd argument to be having.

I know that the implied connotations are not your reason for liking your name, but they are still there. These are the top links that come up when you google "aryan":

http://www.aryan-nations.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

http://www.resist.com/

http://aryanwear.com/

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Aryan_Nations.asp?xpicked=3&
item=an

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/paranoia-as-pat
riotism/aryan-nations.html

Whether or not it's intended to hurt or offend, it's the result of an action that really matters.

Furthermore, I am a little disturbed by what I feel like you were saying about self-expression. I am thinking that I misunderstood you, but racism is not "unique and unusual" or "out there" it's just fucked up and frankly, an unflattering display of ignorance. I think that you were talking about your name rather than extremist racist ideals, but I did just want to clarify that those are my feelings on the subject because they do seem to enjoy telling people that they are intolerant by not accepting their intolerance which is nothing short of hilarious. There's no intellectual justification for it. It's just a bunch of people who have nothing to cling to but something base that they were born with that can't be lost.

Again, I see where you are coming from and how you could have found what I said very hurtful, and I do apologize and I do feel really bad. I hope that you can see what I'm talking about a little though, even though mostly, you are right.

Also, I respectfully request that you remove my e-mail from your blog as I think public arguments are crass, especially when they are not even taking place in person.


FROM ME
Date: Feb 10, 2008 1:29 PM
I figured you'd be mad about the blog, but I wanted to get my thoughts out there. I sought insight to see if I was being unreasonable. It was not "apologetic in tone," I think condescending is more like it. I didn't mention your name or any identifiable characteristics that would drive anyone to know it was you. Of course Kirby knows because I was pretty upset and hurt by your actions.

I admit- I was deceitful in changing to Adams to see if you were really serious about removing me because of my name or if you just needed an excuse to remove me. If you feel you need to remove me (or post a disclaimer bulletin) from your list because you're concerned about what your friends will think, then by all means do so. I will not provide you the sympathy you're asking for though.

I didn't say anything mean about you either. Regardless weather you think so or not- you are the one who is wrong. I'm aware of what google pulls up (the links you sent me were not necessary, but thanks) and all that imply, but "Aryan" in that form is not my name- that's not even how it's pronounced! You can make anything bad if you try hard enough; it just happens to be easy to find bad things about my name if you choose to take it out of context.

If you want to insinuate I am racist or any thing of the like, then I suppose we have a whole other issue here. Just because my name is spelled "Aryan" does not denote I am racist. I am NOT, and just because I live in the Midwest does not mean I am oblivious to the issues around me. I have never taken lightly the slightest miss-pronunciation of my name because of those very serious and real issues.

I'm sorry people are still affected by the brutality in inhumanity of the people that still refuse to take part in the wonderful melting pot that our nation is. But that's life. I can not- and will not let your insecurities or any one else's ignorance rule my life because of the way my name is spelled.

Frankly, I agree with those that told me Aryan is a beautiful and unique name. If I choose to use it as my display name to express myself for a while then I should be able to freely. I'm sorry if I ever caused you trouble. My name is what it is. It's not something I can change. I shouldn't have to be the one to apologize for that. And I'm not going to.

FROM HER Feb 10, 2008 2:02 PM RE: goodness!Body:

that e-mail (the first one she sent) was VERY apologetic. not only did i say that i was sorry but i said that i realized i was being stupid. and i think it's weird that you waited until i apologized to explode at me.

i don't care if you didn't connect my name with that e-mail in any way. that was a personal e-mail sent from me to you and it's ridiculous, melodramatic, and antagonistic that you felt the need to make it public (not that i wasn't acting like a twelve year old by being concerned with myspace friend priority).

i'm serious when i say that i feel like my privacy has been violated. i feel that you should respect that and remove that e-mail from your blog. again i am really sorry that i upset you and again i think i was pretty much the one who was wrong (i think i've already said that twice before) but, if you want your friends' opinions then maybe you should make some phonecalls.

FROM ME
Date: Feb 13, 2008 10:40 PM
I'm done being mad about it. Per your request I will modify the blog- I would have done it sooner but I've become really ill and wasn't really on the last couple days (am on pain medication right now so excuse bad grammar and spelling), but I'm not going to take it down because it is an issue that means a lot to me.

And what is a blog but an online diary?? Of course I am open, but I do have private things kept private, ie your identity because it doesn't matter which of my friends it was. I feel really strongly if someone is really going to be a friend they need to know that it is not acceptable- and they must accept me (as I do them) even with things that aren't so agreeable.

And as much as the thought hurts when I think of it because you've always been so important to me (even though we don't talk a lot) I would give up the frienship if I had to. I can't modify myself or become different than I am to accomodate my friends. Real friends shouldn't! I wouldn't want you to change a single thing about you- ever! It's who you are! Even the things that I don't agree with. I love you like a sister (if I had one) and our friendship means a lot. I had a lot of fun visiting and hope my next trip will include more time with you (and a hotel of my own).

however my opinion- when it comes to private e-mail once it has been sent to me- it is up to my discretion of what to do with it. Unless of course the sender specifies to keep it private. I have posted a letter by you before and you didn't object. Then again it was a good letter. I have also posted a letter (I thought was a good letter) that have made people mad. but to each their own.

If we could have arugued in person I would have. I can't afford to fly down there to argue with you though! Besides you probably would have made me cry and then I would have gotten madder cuz I hate crying cuz it gives me headaches. Then I guess that doesn't matter because you did make me cry. man what a baby i am, huh?

And incase you don't realize my profile is not public, nor are my blogs and photos. I have my settings so only specific people can access them.

Also every person as a "friend" of mine I have known personally. Most for a number of years and most I don't even talk to. So most people don't even care about my blogs.

I'm sure that doesn't make a differenct to you, but it's not like one of your work friends can get on my page and view everything that's going on in my life. my profile is friends only. I think I said that but wanted to reiterate.

Anyway that is that. I'm sure there is more I was going to tell you, but i don't remember. And just because I'm on pain killer doesn't mean I'm going to forget what I wrote. I would appreciate a reply back- if anything to know you're still pissed at me for getting mad and if you're no longer mad at me and maybe we can forgive each other.


FROM HER Date: Feb 26, 2008 8:01 PM ** this is one of the declaimers I am ignoring**

*as a disclaimer is clearly necessary: this e-mail is private and not to be shared with anyone else. (sorry for not making that clear with the previous e-mails but no one else i know quite so melodramatic so i'm not really used to dealing with stuff like this)

i meant to write back much sooner but i have just been crazy busy all week... which i am assuming is why you made your little blog public again.

i was finally about to write you back agreeing that this whole thing was stupid, which it is, and then i decided to look at said blog and it was still there and no longer private AND accompanied by delightful commentary.

i apologized and admitted i was being stupid... and i meant it. i seriously cannot believe i am having a (public) argument with someone on myspace. it is degrading. no i do not want to fight with you, yes your friendship is important to me, but you gotta take down the blog. i can do middle-school humor, but i can't really handle middle-school bickering.

again, i am so sorry that i said anything about your name and it would be unfair for me to expect you to shrug it off as a silly offhand remark. i can't begin understand your ambivalence about it and i was being insensitive and i am truly sorry that i upset you so much.

kathleen


FROM ME Date: Feb 26, 2008 11:05 PM
well apology accepted. Accepted a long while ago. I thought we were done with the issue. The last time i wrote you I made an attempt to get past it.

I don't think I'm melodramatic or middleschool-ish. I hardly remember haing any kind of drams like this in junior high, but that that is a matter of opinion, so I suppose for your opinion you're entitled to it. I prefer the term stubborn, though. And yes when i get mad I tend to stay mad for a while... but I have since gotten over it.

I don't think I should take down the blog as you only orginally requested I take off your e-mail. Which I did. I had it "private" until I actually took your e-mail out. Of course I summarized what brought me to do the blog in the first place, but it's not verbatum.

It's really not a big deal at this point, and I guess I don't understand why you're still mad about it. No one cares. It's old news. I've since posted other blogs that no one will hardly read.

If you are worried about people knowing who you are I have protected your identity. I haven't said "here's her page" In fact, no one's even asked or said anything beyond the few comments that were made. 2 of which are relatives and I suppose as far as that goes I may have mentioned the fiasco to them at some point... I won't lie.

And you should already know my profile is private. Most of my blogs are "friends only" or "preferred" I suppose I could take you off of my preferred list. No one from your page is going to see it. (and if they do and they're your friends i'm sure they'll just think i'm some ass you should drop as a friend)

For months and months I had all those horrible blogs private (from when i was going through my divorce) Now THOSE are myspace fighting!! PPL choosing sides and all kinds of ridiculousness that I by all means should have kept private. I know I was not perfect through that time, but at any rate that is what was. They are no longer private. I'm not one to hide the past and change who I am. I did that for years with Mark. Now I'm me.

I'm not afraid to show people that i'm not perfect.

Remember that huge deal I was worried about when I visited this summer? I have come clean with it- with the people that it affected and with myself. I was feeling very homesick at that point in my vacation. I was not having a good time (well I did with you till you dropped me off at the mall).

but what can I say? What do you want me to do to resolve this? What kind of compromise can we make?

FROM HER Date: Feb 27, 2008 12:56 AM
well, i think i have made pretty clear what i want. i am not terribly concerned about people LOOKING at it... i just find its very EXISTENCE juvenile and embarrassing. you are the only person i know whose blogs aren't movie reviews or silly surveys.


if people were choosing sides on your myspace divorce blogs it's only because you were posting them.

FROM ME Date: Feb 27, 2008 9:09 PM
You know- you're the one being a juvenile (as you so put it) still bringing up the blog. I'm so sick of it. It's like now you just want something to be mad at me about because I did as you requested.

Here is what I copied and pasted from a couple e-mails you sent me: "Also, I respectfully request that you remove my e-mail from your blog as I think public arguments are crass, especially when they are not even taking place in person."
and
"i'm serious when i say that i feel like my privacy has been violated. i feel that you should respect that and remove that e-mail from your blog."

if you don't believe, then I can copy the entire e-mails just for you. You did not once ask me to remove my entire blog, just your e-mail out of it. Which -I reiterate- I did.

I was using my divorce blogs as an example of what is juvenlie and embarrassing, yet I still continue to choose not to remove them as well. Looking back, a lot of things I have done are foolish but I'm still not changing them.

I don't know what else you want me to do. I am so over this. It's ridiculous. If you chose to post a blog infact-go ahead and you're welcome to post my e-mails- I wouldn't have the audacity to ask you to remove it.

FROM HER Feb 27, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: RE: okay Body: ***another disclaimer I am ignoring***

*entirety of message not to be reposted in any form*

jesus! do you want legal terminology? it would please me if you removed the entire blog.

are you bipolar or something?

FROM ME Feb 28, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: RE: okay Body:

No, but I'm starting to think you are. you have done nothing but degrade me, put me down, and call me names. Why should I do you any favors at this point? I'm surprized you even bothered to say "please"

READ your former letters to me. Up until this thread you DID NOT ask me to take it down- only to remove your e-mail (whch I did). and I'm not.

Perhaps if you had approched me in a non threatening way- such as maybe by NOT calling me names and putting me down then maybe I would have considered making it private.

You're the only one who cares. You want drama in your life and it must be so perfect that you insist on finding things to be mad at me about.

It's my fucking NAME and a stupid blog. No one CARES except for you. I tried to drop it but you insist on going on and on and on with it. When are you goin to get the picture? I don't apprecate being called a racist or having ppl like you imply any ties to it just because of the legal spelling of my name.

The fact you misspelled it in your phone is insulting enough. The fact I flew down specifically to see you and spend time with you from out of state to be dropped off at the mall (that was 5 minutes from where I was staying) for 40 minutes w/my suitecase was hurtful and rude. But did I go on and on and on and on and on about it?? NO.

SO DROP IT.

HER RESPONSE Date: Feb 28, 2008 2:13 PM *** i realize at this time it's a moot point for me to argue because no matter what i say or do she's going to think she's right.

1) you came to atlanta for your friend's wedding, to see naomi, and to see me... so no, you did NOT fly down SPECIFICALLY to see me. i really would not have encouraged that as we don't really have any similar interests.

2) i repeatedly tried to get naomi's address out of you because i didn't want to drop you off at the mall and either you or her (i wasn't paying attention to your conversations) decided for some weird reason it would be better to take you to the mall

3) the only reason i LEFT the mall is because your buddy naomi told you she would be there in 5 minutes so we didn't park and dave was in a fire lane. we waited for WAY over 5 minutes and we all assumed she was going to be there any second... you know, cause she said she was going to be at the mall, where SHE wanted us to drop you off, in 5 minutes.

if you are going to be mad at anyone for that it should be her. i don't really feel like you are grammatically flawless enough to jump on me about the syntax of my request for you to take down your blog. clearly you got the gist of it.

and you ARE racist. when we were kids you liked the apartment complex that had two pools because one was frequented by black people and the other was frequented by white people. where it not for you i would have never heard the delightful term "wigger" (which is totally fucked up). and when dave and you told some horrid racist joke when i was visiting you in indiana just a couple of years ago. i think if that were not the case the whole thing wouldn't have put me on edge nearly as much.

i am not insulting you any more than you are insulting me. referring to your insistence on posting personal information on myspace of all places as juvenile was pretty spot on. frankly i think your behavior is trashy and i don't want anything to do with it. while i certainly believe in people owning up to there errors (as i feel like i have done MULTIPLE times in apologizing about the whole name thing to begin with) i do not adhere to this mentality you seem to have that even when you recognize you made a mistake you are going to be proud of it because you did it.

*** wow that was pretty rough (and full of lies)

MY FINAL RESPONSE Feb 28, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: RE: okay Body:

WELL NOW YOUR TRUE COLORS SHOW..

1 for you missy- I am NOT racist. You are closed minded and need to get some education behind you before you open this can of worms. Just because you live down south amongst a "more diverse" people does not make you "all holey" If you were to take a look at my "friends list" on myspace you'd see a wonderfully diverse group of people. I am friends with those of all ethnic backgrounds and relations. And some of those friends are better friends than you'll ever be. Real friends.

You're the only one with a problem. My middle name is Indian- does that make me against Native Americans as well? My last name when I was married was Italian- does that make me racist against Italians and Cecilians? My name now is English and German- does that make me racist against those??? Sometimes I tell a blonde joke. Does that mean I'm a blonde hater?

I have NEVER lived in an apartment that had 2 pools. One with 1 pool -one time only- that was shut down most of the time because of kids pooing in it. My friend Heather (I shouldn't have to tell you what color her skin is) who was black and I spent every moment we could by the pool when it was open.

When we met I was living in a trailor park that had stuff growing out of the walls and holes in the floor. Your dad rented us a house to live in, remember??

As far as insulting jokes- you Dave visited nearly 6 years ago. An insulting one may have passed my lips (but who hasn't slipped once in a while?) And if I said something offensive, regardless if I remember, by all means I apologise!!

That term "wigger" you refer to is something my BROTHER came up with long before I moved up here... and as I reacall most of his friends were of diverse backgrounds; it was coined by them. I do not use language like that.

I came specifically to see Jennell, Namoi, and YOU. Specifically YES- you. If you didn't want me to visit you should have said so and I wouldn't have wasted my time, planning, cell phone minutes, or money.

You're right- we are different. I never let another's differences get in the way of how I feel toward someone, but your behavior toward me this past month is UNACCEPTABLE.

I offered to take a cab from place to place. I'm sorry it was such an inconvenience on you. At least now I can see what you think of your friends.

You left the mall so you could go have your little party that you planned -while I was there-, and you didn't want to be late. (heaven forbid someone visiting from out of state could inconvenience you) You would have left me at the mall regardless of the circumstances. That I don't doubt.

What's sad is I would have done anything for you!!

READ YOUR LETTERS... INFACT I'LL POST THEM FOR YOU AFTER THIS SINCE YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU WROTE.


***I removed the letters as you've just read them all***

*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*

What names/ did she imply of me through this?

Racist

Ridiculous

Melodramatic (more than once)

Antagonistic

"middle school"

Juvenile

And asked me if I were bipolar

She did say our friendship was important

Racist!!



What did I call her/imply?

Wrong

Not acceptable (more than once)

Important to me

Juvenile


Comments:




Okay I wont lie I didnt read it all Forgive me i just skimmed. However, having an unusuall name myself, I understand where you are comming from. I have been asked "Were your parents on drugs when they named you?" So, I think perhaps she was being insensitive. Everyones name is a part of who they are. And when you attack that is just wrong!
Posted by Satarah on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 10:40 PM


I made it about half way but will try again tomorrow. Is there a cliff notes version??? :D
Posted by indianaroadracer on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 11:24 PM

Okay I read it all...LOl I mean all of it cause I didnt want to judge anyone if I didnt have ALL the facts..I didnt see at all how you were being unreasonable about it that would make her call you those things or say some of the things she said...She was wrong in so many ways....You didnt say who was saying all of this or put he remail out for all to see so whats the big deal with you getting friends opinions on these things? She flat out called you racist..Not true...so isn't that Slander? If she is going to tell you thats what she thinks who else has she told that in her mind you are a racist? CRAZY ...Your a great person hun, you have been through a lot and this Drama doesn't needed to be added to the mix. Forget about her cause obviously she isn't a good person or "friend"
Posted by Crystal on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 11:50 AM

u could have told me about this when i have been bitchin about all my drama. and i completely agree with you... and i think i would be just as up set as you if some one did this to me. i think that you are a good person all the way around... i don't agree with everything, but i feel that you are always looking out for yours as well as others best interest. i dont think you are racist but like you said who doesnt tell a racist joke now and again... hell i do and i know of others who tell them and we are not racist. and i didnt realize that wigger was a "bad" term... hell i still use it today when i see a person who is trying to act all hard n stuff no matter what the color of their skin or anything else about them. guess i better watch myself a little more closely! ;-)you are who you are. by the sounds of it you are going to be WAY better of with out her and the delete key can be your BFF for a sec.. i feel bad for you that this is happening especially with a friend cuz good ones don't come by everyday. i think blogs can be a good source to vent or just relieve some stress... you gotta get it out somewhere. so if blogging is what you do and makes you feel better keep it up... cuz you are what is important not her or anyone else for that matter. (i mean we are but when ya gotta vent you gotta do it!)
Posted by Mystica on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 12:51 PM

I have looked over the whole thing, but finished right when i have to get ready for work. As for a quick response that will be elaborated later...She is the kind of person that looks down her nose upon everyone. Her head is so far up in the clouds she really needs a reality check. If you do not agree with her, something is wrong with you and the mistakes she makes are not mistakes at all to her, they are understandable miscommunications (or boraderline anomalies) She is just to full of herself. It sucks to lose a friend, but really, its her way or no way. This is a lot of technicalities I wish I had time to post and talk about, but just look up the true definition of raciest and discrimination.More to come later though.
Posted by Travis on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 2:46 PM

Just about ANY, and I mean ANY argument over grammar and syntax is ridiculous. Its just an attempt to draw someone away from the point. The point is she really didn't say anything about removing the blog. She just plain as day didn't mention, or insinuate it no matter the syntax. She makes MANY references showing how egotistical and egocentric she is and its borderline narcissistic. I am not one to call people names for the sake of doing it. It just shows the point that this person just can’t be reasoned with, even if you act as if you are on egg shells. Even her statement “I hope that you can see what I'm talking about a little though, even though mostly, you are right” shows She just can’t give up the thought of having something up on you. Also, some people aren’t happy, unless they are unhappy. They just love drama.She also contradicts herself about “Public arguments are crass” and then tells you the best way to get “your friends’ opinions [is to] make some phone calls.” Tell me the difference between taking private e-mails and sharing them with people with in your online blog/diary, or calling the same about of people and sharing private e-mails vocally?… NONE, save for one difference, you let her in on the blog; you included her. You didn't talk behind her back and you did give her a chance to defend herself. She could post a comment with the best of them. I applaud you for that.Anyways, WHO THE HELL picks a random person from a “co-worker friend’s” top list and googles the name/nickname? Seriously… why is she worried about that? To be honest, I think it could have been handled a different way, BUT I might not know if there are circumstances that would obstruct this (e.g. cost) I think as soon as their was a possibility their was a mix up on tone, I would have tried to call and talk about it. I had this friend that could never get my tone in an e-mail and would fire back a defensive reply about 70% of the time. I just told her finally, next time, we are done e-mailing, you’re calling or I'm calling LOL I was going to go into more of the raciest thing, and expand on that, but really I don’t think its needed. It’s a silly thing to call someone in most circumstances. You pretty much were dead on with the blond joke analogy. What it boils down to is this… if you would give a black guy (or white/Mexican/British/male/female ECT…) the same chance as someone as your own, it’s a safe bet your not a raciest (unless maybe you don’t want to, but you are just conforming to the law, then maybe you are). Weather it is a job, citizenship, or education ect, as long as you don’t deny them a chance on equal ground, what’s the problem?Throw the jokes out their! I want to hear the white trash BBQ jokes, I want to hear the Trailer jokes, I want to laugh at the joke of not being able to jump. I laugh, because it is silly to think they are absolutely true, and I want to hear them, because my friends of different backgrounds know they aren’t true. What is wrong with that? And on that note, thank you, and good night!
Posted by Travis on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 2:46 AM

Very well said, thank you. The fact she is complaining about a joke I may have said over 6 years ago- do we say grudge?? I hardly even remember the jokes I do like (save for a few pirate ones).
Posted by Kiara on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 12:01 PM

Okay well I just wanted to say I almost sprayed coke out my nose laughing when I read how STUPID this other girl is. Im sorry. she needs to get over it.. the cell phone thing I mean come on... like some is gonna find her cell phone and see Aryan and think .. oh no this girl has the Nazi Hotline on speed dial. :P Get REAL! being "a Ryan" myself I think your name is awesome and Im glad your not ashamed of it because, the truth is that there isn't anything to ashamed of because its not the same word!so im sure you didnt really care about my input but i thought id throw that in there.
Posted by Ryan on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 12:44 AM